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 Post subject: Re: Aftermarket 370-12RM Circuit Board?
 Post Posted: Thu Apr 20, 2006 12:25 am 
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>"This will be the year we'll likely litigate over this issue due to lack of response by a party that has apparently violated this copyright."

The only after market i know of, but does a great job is the JB (forum has renamed this as
"jinglebell") external pedal ...which is great cuz, being external, you can use it
on all your Rics :)

...i hope it's not the JB, though it couldn't be since i've seen both circuits and JB
is not the same...whoever it is, the cicuit would have to be _exactly_ the same
using the same components. Whether it's compressor from brand 'X' or brand 'Y' which
outputs the same effect, if the circuit/components are not
the same, there's no infringement. How many many amps out there are using the
same basic push-pull design ? ...to name one of many common
design techniques where i hear of no infringement issues.

With this statement:
>"One point to note- the IC that was used on this circuit was the heart of the sound. They are long out of business and there is no equivalent component that sounds the same"

...i would see it difficult to bring litigation since the circuit in the accused would then
have to use a different chip and biased differently to achieve the same sound, which is
not an infringement...further more, the effect sought out to be achieved is not even a Ric product,
but rather, the compressors which Mr. McGuinn used (i forget the brand, ...2 studio compressors
in series that he plugged his 360/12 directly into ?)

OT ...i remember back in the later '90s, i phoned Ric to order some strings and i asked if i could buy
the compressor, i was told "no" ....so i mentioned to this person that i thought Ric could make a
mint selling the compressor or as a external pedal... the answer was abviously a "no",
but i asked to send me one if Ric ever changes their mind :)

Just a side note, back to the "jinglebell" unit ...if anything, this pedal brings more notice to
my 360/12 ...our little tribute band plays small venues and ever since i got the
"jinglebell" pedal, i'm asked more frequently "what guitar is that !?" :)


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 Post subject: Re: Aftermarket 370-12RM Circuit Board?
 Post Posted: Thu Apr 20, 2006 12:50 am 
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You're a lawyer then?


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 Post subject: Re: Aftermarket 370-12RM Circuit Board?
 Post Posted: Thu Apr 20, 2006 1:49 am 
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...no no :)...definitely not an legal expert ...was in
hardware design for 10 years, so know a little,
and i stress "little", but not a legal expert. Just
an opinion, thinking litigation may be tough in this
area unless it's an exact copy. It's a compressor, it's
not a unique idea. The Behringer/Boss lawsuit
...was over what? the boxes sound the same ...but it
wasn't over the electronics, but over the casing looking
like Boss units.

note: living in Canada i dont how much the laws differ,
certainly not as much litagation up here compared to the
US, which seems to be a way of life. Wish i was a lawyer
in the States...lots of $$$, meaning lots of Rics :)

BTW ...i hope i'm comming across as this being a friendly
discussion/opinion as i have nothing but respect and
admiration for Mr.Hall and adore Rickenbacker guitars.


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 Post subject: Re: Aftermarket 370-12RM Circuit Board?
 Post Posted: Thu Apr 20, 2006 2:34 am 
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Hey arrow, this BJ pedal you speak of, I've seen it mentioned many times on here but can't see to find any info about it....do you have a manufacturer's webpage or anything I could check out? I'd like to try one with my Rick...


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 Post subject: Re: Aftermarket 370-12RM Circuit Board?
 Post Posted: Thu Apr 20, 2006 3:21 am 
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do you have a manufacturer's webpage or anything I could check out? I'd like to try one with my Rick...


RockNRollChemist...Considering there could be pending litigation with the manufacturer of the product you want to check out, this wouldn't be the forum for the information you requested.

There has been a lot written about the modifications Roger McGuinn had on his Rickenbacker, along with the Roger McGuinn Limited Edition manufactured by Rick, and units that could give you the sound you want. Just do a search online and you'll find it. I'm not a lawyer, but my advice is free and in everybody's best interest.


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 Post subject: Re: Aftermarket 370-12RM Circuit Board?
 Post Posted: Thu Apr 20, 2006 6:35 am 
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RockNRollChemist, because we dont know if this is the unit or not, it's not proper to publicly state the website. Anyway, i'm pretty sure it would be deleted as heavy advertising is deemed unappropriate in these forums.

RICandVOX is correct, it shouldn't be too difficult to google for. If your still having trouble, it should be ok for me to send you a private email.


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 Post subject: Re: Aftermarket 370-12RM Circuit Board?
 Post Posted: Tue Apr 25, 2006 7:08 am 
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Are you talking about Jinglebells?

I am trying to type in two words one is porkchops and the other is zamboni, but they keep coming up as jinglebells.. Wierd


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 Post subject: Re: Aftermarket 370-12RM Circuit Board?
 Post Posted: Wed Apr 26, 2006 1:13 am 
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Yeah arrow, if you wouldn't mind firing off a private email to me....now I'm just curious to figure out what all this is about.


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 Post subject: Re: Aftermarket 370-12RM Circuit Board?
 Post Posted: Wed Apr 26, 2006 1:56 am 
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I could go for some pork chops and zuccini right about now (it's lunch time).


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 Post subject: Re: Aftermarket 370-12RM Circuit Board?
 Post Posted: Wed Apr 26, 2006 1:56 am 
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All previous comments have been very interesting.I suspect that RIC would be able to stop the sale of said component if it in anyway infers or implies it is 'as the original' or even 'Byrds like' or 'McGuinn like' as Byrds and Roger McGuinn are copyrights in themselves ( although RM even lost the battle to use the Byrds commercially himself) and only RIC could claim to be 'as original'.The main point, for me,though, is why would you want to modify a 370/12 with non genuine items.It would not enhance the value and may even diminsh it.The only solutio is to BUY THE REAL THING.I'll get a 370RM Ltd., one day.It's only money.Don't buy a daily newspaper and that expensive latte each day and you'll probably save enough after a year or two!!!!!


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