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 Post subject: Re: John Lennon
 Post Posted: Wed Apr 19, 2006 2:39 am 
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I believe that Paul was the first to get a Casino...he acquired it at the same time he picked up is Texan acoustic that he used on the infamous "Yesterday" recording. John and Paul were so used to playing each other's insturments (i.e. John playing the Hofner right handed)...he was playing Paul's Casino and fell in love with it. The headstock on Paul's Casino is obviously different..it's more 'square'...


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 Post subject: Re: John Lennon
 Post Posted: Wed Apr 19, 2006 2:49 am 
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I believe that Paul was the first to get a Casino...he acquired it at the same time he picked up is Texan acoustic that he used on the infamous "Yesterday" recording.


Yes, Paul McCartney was the first Beatle with an Epiphone Casino. Bluesman John Mayall, a friend of Paul's, influenced him to buy an Epiphone. Paul received the guitar along with the Epiphone Texan in late 1964.

In 1966, John and George acquired their Epiphone Casinos.


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 Post subject: Re: John Lennon
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Why is Yesterday "infamous"?


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 Post subject: Re: John Lennon
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Talk about a missuse of words...lol...thanks for catching that RNR chemist..


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Also, its been reported in many places and books that Paul and George played the lead licks on 'And Your Bird Can Sing' instead of John and George.


In the November 1987 issue of Guitar magazine, George recalled the song "And Your Bird Can Sing" when he said, "I think it was Paul and me, or maybe John and me, playing in harmony--quite a complicated little line that goes right through the middle-eight."

By the way, the song was recorded forty years ago this month. "Look in my direction, I'll be 'round, I'll be 'round."


I've read in a Paul interview where it was Paul and George that played the lead licks. If you listen to it closely, it sounds definately like Paul's sloppy style playing (on guitar anyways, he's got that unique style of playing), Paul's pull off's/hammering on his leads have always been similar, listen to "Birthday" or The intro to "Sgt. Pepper", John on a Casino, though not as good as Paul always sounded smoother on his lead playing such as the solos on "Get Back"...

I love pauls playing.. So percussive.. I think i learned my style from Paul and David gilmour.. Both guys really dig into the strings.. On some of Pauls licks you can even hear the strings behind the bridge ringing out.. I LOVE that! Yep cant wait till they come out with a Paul McCartney Casino!!!


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I know second hand that Lennon's 325 was in the studio for the Double Fantasy sessions.. This is where Rick Neilsen got all his measurments from..


I want to hear more about that. Neilsen measured John's 325?
This story always gets me flamed but here goes:

I had the chance to work with Jack Douglas in the studio about 4 years ago.. I was in recording school and he was teaching there at the time.. He was cool and humored my daily assult of questions about Aerosmith, Cheap Trick, and of course John lennon. We were talking about Rick and Bun E Carlos working on Double Fantasy and how the tracks were never used etc.. Jack breaks into this story about Rick wanting to see Lennons 325.. Lennon allowed him some time with it and Rick proceeded to take various measurements off the instrument.. After some weeks and or months Rick returned to the studio with a gutar case and presented it to John. When John opened the case there was a brand new custom replica of his 325 down to every scale length/nut width/ knob... It wa identical except for one thing:It was RED. And I mean Red Everything! Red fretboard etc.. Not sure if the guitar was made by Hamer or who but John was knocked out by the gift.

HERE COMES THE CONTROVERSIAL PART:

Jack concluded his story with the remark "John had unusually small hands.. Thats why he liked playing the tiny Rick so much"

I have checked photos for a sign of the small hands.. I havent seen them but Jack made the comment that I thought was interesting.. So there you go.. thats the story..


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So, totally red, right?
Red fretboard, tailpeice, nameplate, neck, fretboard, frets, knobs, tuners, swithches, input jacks, pickups, fret markers, must I go on?


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Wow, cool story. I've never heard that. Thanks. I've got another story. A few years ago, I saw an Ebay ad for a 1980 320 JG. In the ad, the seller's last sentence mentioned that the guitar had originally been ordered for John Lennon. Now, i know what you're thinking....no freaking way. Well, I won the auction ($1100.) i asked the seller about the "Lennon" thing. His name was Jeffrey Jones. He had moved from LA to Nashville. He had MS and it was getting worse. He had his contract with EMI dropped due to his illness. Earlier, he had been in Stephen Bishop's band. You know, "On and On" and "Save It For a Rainy Day". Anyway, he was in NYC in '81 and was working on an Art Garfunkel album. He went in to Manny's and saw this 320 JG. Henry told him the story of how it was ordered for John Lennon in '80. Once it arrived, Lennon wanted the "old" pickups installed. He never picked it up. So, Jeffrey bought it. He sent me a pic of him using it while he was on The Tonite Show. Anyway, i believe the story. He had no reason to lie. It wass rumored by Jack Douglas that Lennon had planned to tour. His '64 325 was broken and I'm not sure what kind of shape his '58 325 was in. Kind of fits together, huh? Anyway, I have it and its not going anywhere. I would love to have it authenticated somehow but I'm not holding my breath.


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All make for wonderful anecdotal cocktail stories for the 4th glass of French Champagne so drunk, but I'll take a huge, huge grain salt with any of these posted here!

The "small hands of Lennon " shtick is bit much as is the "all red Ric! "

"Small Hands of Lennon"-now hmmm ...
-Wasn't this the 8th Wonder of the World" and originally a natural formation on top of Mt. Rushmore?


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 Post subject: Re: John Lennon
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When John opened the case there was a brand new custom replica of his 325 down to every scale length/nut width/ knob... It was identical except for one thing:It was RED.


All we need is word from Cheap Trick's Rick Nielsen to verify if this account of the red 325 is true. Years ago, I was backstage with Rick and the band, and if I was aware of the Red 325 guitar as a gift to John, I would have asked him. It seems to make sense if he was measuring the guitar, he was up to something!

John Williams story is equally intriguing. Even if the 320 owned by John Williams is not related to the Rick Nielsen guitar, there is the possibility that with John Lennon going back in the studio and maybe someday planning a tour, a new 320 could have been ordered. Whether it's true or not, it makes a good story.

Speaking of a 320, I was walking down 48th Street in New York City in the summer of 1980 and hanging in the window of a music store was a Rickenbacker 320 jetglo. No link to John Lennon...that I know of!


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