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Author:  johnallg [ Thu Jun 01, 2006 8:35 am ]
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Ironically thought it be with those Epiphone Casinos crunchning away on Vox amps all around him Paul would begin his intense in-studio use of his trusty 4001 Ric bass!


Probably because it would intonate correctly, have a superior tone, and stay in tune. Listen to how many bass licks Paul played where the Hofner sounds out-of-tune. Always bothered me. He had a luthier work on the Hofner in 1991 (I believe) and got the tuning and intonation problems worked out. That started Paul's return to live use of the Hofner. Unfortunately, as a Beatle he is remembered playing the Hofner, where as a member of Wings, it is the Rick people identify him with.

But his most creative bass parts as a Beatle were with the Rick. IMHO - YMMV

Author:  Fun-duh-mental [ Thu Jun 01, 2006 8:33 pm ]
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But his most creative bass parts as a Beatle were with the Rick. IMHO - YMMV


I've always thought this. Pauly's most lyrical, melodic lines were on the Ric.

Author:  davclr [ Thu Jun 01, 2006 11:41 pm ]
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I think Paul's skill with the bass is awesome.
Arguably, the greatest and most innovative rock bass player in history.

I think its. very, very interesting about the "full cycle" here.

Brian Wilson has freely acknowledged that it was The Beatles' "Rubber Soul" L.P., that inspired him and the Beach Boys to make their classic watershed album, "Pet Sounds."

Then Sir Macca claims it was 'Pet Sounds' that so inluenced him and the Beatles to make Sgt. Pepper!

*Listen to the true stereo version or better yet, the extremely rare "no vocal track" true stereo version of the Beach Boys' song, "God Only Knows".

Listen to Wrecking Crew/famous session musician Carole Kaye's bass playing style on "God Only Knows" and The Beatles' Pepper tune "With a Little Help From Friends."

There is a marked resemblance to the bass playing style!

I don't think this was lost for a second on Paul's well tuned and receptive ears, since "Ggod Only Knows" was recorded and released well prior to the making of "Pepper."

Author:  johnallg [ Fri Jun 02, 2006 7:57 am ]
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I think Paul's skill with the bass is awesome.
Arguably, the greatest and most innovative rock bass player in history.


Dave, I agree with the first comment. As for the second, there are many, many examples of great and innovative rock bass players. Paul is one of them.

Before you take umbrage with that, he is the one who got me to pick up the bass. My early playing (34 years ago) leaned very heavily on his influence.

Author:  davclr [ Fri Jun 02, 2006 8:39 am ]
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"Dave, I agree with the first comment. As for the second, there are many, many examples of great and innovative rock bass players. Paul is one of them".
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John, I remember used the word "arguably" to give myself a big safety valve on this one. :)

Author:  MattP123 [ Fri Jun 02, 2006 8:53 am ]
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Then Sir Macca claims it was 'Pet Sounds' that so inluenced him and the Beatles to make Sgt. Pepper!


im sure the LSD had some influence too, but whatever, lol. and in turn, didnt brian wilson have a nervous breakdown after hearing sgt pepper's because he knew he wouldnt be able to top it?

Author:  johnallg [ Fri Jun 02, 2006 9:35 am ]
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Then Sir Macca claims it was 'Pet Sounds' that so inluenced him and the Beatles to make Sgt. Pepper!


im sure the LSD had some influence too, but whatever, lol. and in turn, didnt brian wilson have a nervous breakdown after hearing sgt pepper's because he knew he wouldnt be able to top it?


Brian was one against five on that matchup! The LSD probably helped him out on that also. :D

Author:  Fun-duh-mental [ Fri Jun 02, 2006 9:34 pm ]
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Someone mentioned Queen Carol, above: "Many times, me and the boys sit around and turn the sound way up when Hogan's Heroes or Hawaii Five O comes on, just to listen to her authoritative tick-tacking". If she'd only used a Ric...

Author:  davclr [ Sat Jun 03, 2006 1:46 am ]
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"Someone mentioned Queen Carol, above: "Many times, me and the boys sit around and turn the sound way up when Hogan's Heroes or Hawaii Five O comes on, just to listen to her authoritative tick-tacking". If she'd only used a Ric..."

Now this above is an interesting story I never heard before!

A fascinating Beach Boys track to listen to (where I believe Carol also plays bass) is the very rare true stereo version of Sloop John B, WITHOUT the vocal track..

According to Beach Boys' legend, Brian Wilson was once the tuba player in the high school marching band. (Hawthorn High School).

IF you listen to the very rare version of 'Sloop John B." without the vocal track, you hear a tuba going full blast, a glockenspiel, Carol's distinctive bass line and it really gives you a very strong feel and sound of what it just might be like to be marching right in the middle of that very "high school marching band!"
Well worth a listen!

Author:  Fun-duh-mental [ Sat Jun 03, 2006 4:13 am ]
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Hey, Dav. I mangled George's line from Hard Day's Night, but, the story is true; I DO turn Hogan's theme up every other night or so, just to hear Carol. If there's anyone who plays as hard as Geddy, it's got to be Carol..Hawaii Five-0 is a good example of 'Woman beating poor, defenseless bass-guitar'.

Sloop is still one of my favorite songs/Carol-songs. It's a perennial favorite topic on her site. The timbre she got was by detuning to E-flat. Where's this great, non-vocal version you mentioned? Link us, man!

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