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McGuinn adjusts his 12
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Author:  Toastie [ Fri Jul 07, 2006 4:44 pm ]
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A personal obsv. I dont think Roger played the way he does today back in 1964. I do not hear his current picking style in the original recordings . I do hear Two guitars or two tracks, on those vintage recordings, I dont think roger tunned his guitars lower in the sixties. who the hell does that , who the hell did that......... also I have 3 rickenbacker 12 string guitars 36012 36012v64 and 37012 I do not tune my guitars down,never have never will, Rickenbacker truss rods are the strongest in the bussness (two of em). Once set, these only need minor ajustments according to climate change. I do mine twice a year once in the late Fall and once in the early Summer. These guitars are meant to be tunned at 440 with no ill effect. I think low tunning over time is damaging to guitars they where built and designed to be tunned at 440. When restringing I recommend one at a time espesialy the 12 strings, never take all the strings off at one time, Again this is my obsv. Jim

Try running your 12 stringers in drop-D tuning. I do that on my Lowden acoustics, and just thought, out of interest, that I'd try it on my new TP660 - monster tone !!

Author:  FirstBassman [ Fri Jul 07, 2006 11:01 pm ]
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As regards Roger's Video/DVD -

Yes, if you are at all interested in his music.
Amazon or Homespun. Either one.
Though I wish he would have spent more time teaching and less time taking his guitar apart.

As regards tuning down a half-step (or more) -

This is a somewhat common practice w/ acoustic 12s on the old wives tale belief that the reduced neck tension helped the guitar. That may have been true 60 years ago. I have it on good authority that it is not true now.

Some tune down to match vocal range or to better match other instruments (usually tuned to Eb).

I used to tune down and capo so that the strings would be a little further apart on my 360/12. I can still use the help but I'm just too lazy to do it.

- Mark

Author:  BillYantz [ Sat Jul 08, 2006 10:36 pm ]
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I tune down a whole step and just put a customized set of Tomastik 11s on my new C63 12-string. Awesome. Great string seperation, and has a much fatter sound and enough mass to really "feel" when striking individual strings pairs. Hard to explain but its like going from a flexible pick to a stiff one; much more control with enough flex to feel very compfortable. I will not need to change these strings for a year or more; yes, they are worth the extra cost.

If you mix two sets (like I did with the tomastiks), you will need an extra high E and B; that's why I don't throw away my lightly used sets; for extras when needed.

Author:  seltaeb [ Sun Jul 09, 2006 8:23 am ]
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Bill, which gauges did you choose in your custom Thomastik set? Everytime someone mentions they use TIs on a 12-string, I poll them for the gauges, because you can't match the exact Rickenbacker string gauges (Thomastik doesn't make a 0.42 in the Jazz Series), but you could if you mixed with the Benson series... so I'm just curious what you used.


Author:  nightfire [ Sun Jul 09, 2006 10:34 am ]
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I thought RM tuned down a half step was to help sing in a lower key as his voice has aged.Glen Campbell has said in an interview that his playing has improved over the years but he had to change keys to help his (older lower) voice.Playing in a different key can be quite difficult sometimes.Tuning down allows the same fingering to be used as before.Try playing D,G,A,Bm and F#m then drop a half step and you have C#,F#,A~,B~m and Fm.Try playing those chords back in standard tuning.Not easy.

Author:  TomTrig [ Mon Jul 10, 2006 3:51 am ]
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Here's a pic of Roger McGuinn's 370/12RM setup from Bjorn Eriksson's website.
http://www.rickbeat.com/gallery/rogermc ... msetup.jpg

Author:  flyingeagle [ Mon Jul 10, 2006 4:15 am ]
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Here's a pic of Roger McGuinn's 370/12RM setup from Bjorn Eriksson's website.


About 10 years ago I brought my 370/12RM to one of Roger's concerts. Not only did he autograph it for me, he also geve me some set up tips. On the 12 saddle bridge, he had me remove the springs from behind the saddles for the standard "E" and "A" string and move the 2 saddles as far back as they go. The intonation was much better. He also tunes down ½ step. I personally like mine tuned to pitch. For what it's worth, I prefer the rickenbacker strings for this guitar.


Author:  steamfurnace12 [ Mon Jul 10, 2006 11:06 pm ]
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I keep my 370/12 RM tuned to standard 440 tuning, but tune my old Alvarez 12 string acoustic down a full step and capo it at the second fret. This has worked for me on the Alvarez for 25 years, and I have never had to get the neck adjusted. By the same token, keeping the Ric in standard tuning has never caused a problem with it, either, although my luthier tweaks the neck twice a year when I have the strings changed.

Author:  MrGarry [ Tue Jul 11, 2006 6:54 am ]
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There is a U.S. based internet company called DVD Pacific that my wife buys dvds from. They have "The 12-string Guitar of Roger McGuinn" listed. We have had very good service from this company with deliveries to us here in Australia coming within a week or 2. Worth a look.

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