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Author:  Aerome [ Mon Feb 20, 2012 4:18 pm ]
Post subject:  No Tension!

Hi Gang;

2008 360/6, owned only for a few weeks. Noticed a little twist in the neck, intonation out on the G so I thought I would give adjusting it a whirl. Took off the cover and noticed that the length of exposed rods were different. Checking near the base and I saw one sitting in the neck higher. Oh well! To my surprize the nuts were only making contact, no tension. Adjusted it so that there was about a mm at the 7th fret, 6 & 1. Some kind of buzzing around the 5th thru 8th fret on the top 4 strings in the playing position, I can't tell where it's coming from. Having a real tough time getting the intonation on the G, but I'll replace strings and try it again.

But what is the consensus on the no tension thing? Is this a job a superman should take over?

Thanks

Author:  Aerome [ Mon Feb 20, 2012 4:43 pm ]
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Here are a few pics. Hope they display.

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Author:  jps [ Mon Feb 20, 2012 4:44 pm ]
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Aerome wrote:
...Noticed a little twist in the neck, intonation out on the G so I thought I would give adjusting it a whirl......Having a real tough time getting the intonation on the G, but I'll replace strings and try it again.

But what is the consensus on the no tension thing? Is this a job a superman should take over?

Thanks

If the neck relief set to your needs, with no tension on the truss rods, then all is good.

Now, adjusting for intonation is a different thing (although relief will have a small effect on intonation). After the relief is to your liking then you need to adjust the bridge saddles to intonate the instrument.

Author:  Aerome [ Mon Feb 20, 2012 4:48 pm ]
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Thanks jps, I should have posted that I adjusted the intonation with the saddles and the G was the only one that wouldn't come in. I was using an old Peterson tuner that has LED's traveling left to right if sharp and right to left if flat. Cool old machine!

Author:  buchrob [ Sun Feb 26, 2012 6:26 pm ]
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You need at least a little bite on the truss rod nuts or you may have an ugly intermittent rattle. Just add a split-ring lockwasher available at any hardware store between the nut and the rod so at least the nut will not float and buzz.

Your big-E clearance should be a little more than the small-e all along the neck.

http://www.graphtech.com/fckeditor/user ... l_inst.pdf

Typically the G-string really has to be stretched and the nut cavity cleaned with fine sandpaper moistened in alcohol. Then a drop of graphite in the slot will also do wonders, because the D & G strings have to do a relatively sharp bend at the nut, which can be a binding point. You have to get the tuning 1000% reliable before you try intonation.

If you search for G-string problems, you will come up with lots of posts across the entire guitar world.

Author:  Aerome [ Mon Feb 27, 2012 3:26 pm ]
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Thanks much for the tips! Link doesn't work but I was able to see some of their products. Appreciate all the replies.

Author:  buchrob [ Mon Feb 27, 2012 6:35 pm ]
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www.graphtech.com/fckeditor/userfiles/F ... l_inst.pdf

Try this one.

Author:  Schmidt [ Tue Feb 28, 2012 12:24 am ]
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A millimeter is way to much relief for a pro set up - on any guitar. A relief on a millimeter will make the guitar stiff and hard to play - and make it impossible to set up a nice smooth action too.

The relief should be app. the thickness of a piece of print paper - but be aware that Rickenbacker recommend their necks to be set up absolutely straight = no relief...

The twin truss rod on a Rickenbacker makes for correctning small twist in the neck too. But be carefull with these adjustment if unexperienced - the distance between excellent action and technical disaster at some level can be unpleasantly short :D

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