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 Post subject: 325V63 Break Angle?
 Post Posted: Tue Sep 05, 2006 2:30 am 
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A friend of mine from another board has problems with the break angle on his 325V63 between the accent vibrato and his bridge.
He left a photo below to examine to ask how it can be corrected.

http://i64.photobucket.com/albums/h191/ ... s/Ric5.jpg

Another member posted a picture of the angle on his guitar which appears to be the correct angle.

http://img.villagephotos.com/p/2005-1/9 ... C02699.JPG

I was thinking that maybe something in the accent vibrato is stuck or bent and I suggested that he replace the teeth on his bridge with roller saddles as soon as possible to help keep the strings in place better.

What do you guys think the problem could be, from a Factory Standpoint?


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 Post subject: Re: 325V63 Break Angle?
 Post Posted: Tue Sep 05, 2006 9:46 pm 
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First, I don't think the angles are all that different- the second photo is 10-15 degrees off the axis of the bridge and slightly higher, making the angle look more different.

But most noticeable is the difference in strings. The first photo has a decidedly more stiff string set on it, at least at the ball end. See how it arcs up and doesn't lay flat? The other photo shows a more slinky ball end that's hugging the spring. The angle of pull is quite different and likely to make the spring react differently.

Remember the old weight x arm = moment in flight school? Essentially the arm is changing here.


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 Post subject: Re: 325V63 Break Angle?
 Post Posted: Tue Sep 05, 2006 11:04 pm 
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Exactly what problems is he having with the narrow break angle? I realize that it's recommended to have a steeper break angle, but I've got a 1961 Gibson Les Paul SG with a stop bar mounted on it. It has a very narrow break angle also, but it's never given me any problems. It plays beautifully and has great sustain.


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 Post subject: Re: 325V63 Break Angle?
 Post Posted: Wed Sep 06, 2006 1:08 am 
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Agreed, I've never had a problem with a low break angle except when it was so low that it fell out of the saddle during a solo in jazz practise because I was picking VERY hard.


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 Post subject: Re: 325V63 Break Angle?
 Post Posted: Wed Sep 06, 2006 2:34 am 
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I agree in that it's not so much the break angle, but one thing I would study would be the width of the groove in the roller-saddle on the top three strings (G-B-E). On the top two strings(poss. the G as well) the wideness of the groove in the roller will allow the string(s) to travel side-to-side.

Maybe if the groove was slightly narrower on those strings?

12's really work well on the 1996 too, a good feel.


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 Post subject: Re: 325V63 Break Angle?
 Post Posted: Wed Sep 06, 2006 5:19 am 
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Thanks for your input, I'll pass along the comments.

Here was his complaint about the angle.

"Mine barely has any break angle, and as a result the bridge moves around too much. The strings just kind of sit there".


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 Post subject: Re: 325V63 Break Angle?
 Post Posted: Fri Sep 08, 2006 3:37 am 
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We now believe that the person has the Accent vibrato strung improperly...

Incorrect:
http://i64.photobucket.com/albums/h191/ ... s/fix4.jpg

Correct:
http://home.austin.rr.com/rickenbacker/1996_005.JPG

Let me know what ya think!


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 Post subject: Re: 325V63 Break Angle?
 Post Posted: Fri Sep 08, 2006 3:41 am 
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Not sure it would make much of a difference


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 Post subject: Re: 325V63 Break Angle?
 Post Posted: Sat Sep 09, 2006 12:27 am 
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Yes, it certainly will. Much of the tension is improperly placed on the main part of the tailpiece, taking it off of the spring assembly. If the tension isn't on the spring assembly, it won't bend, moving downward in the arc it's supposed to describe, thereby reducing the break angle.


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 Post subject: Re: 325V63 Break Angle?
 Post Posted: Sat Sep 09, 2006 6:48 am 
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I got served... Thanks for the info Mister CEO.


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