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 Post subject: Projection Problem
 Post Posted: Sun Oct 29, 2006 12:28 am 
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I play a 1978 4001 through a Trace Elliott 300w 1x15 combo. It sounds fine but doesn't seem to project very far. My Fender Precision with the same amp takes out the back wall of the club!

Just turning up the volume doesn't seem to help. Any other suggestions please, apart from DI into the PA?

(PS I usually run both p/ups at full bore with the neck on full treble and the bridge on full bass.)


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 Post subject: Re: Projection Problem
 Post Posted: Mon Oct 30, 2006 2:06 am 
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Sorefinger, how new / old is your P-bass?

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 Post subject: Re: Projection Problem
 Post Posted: Mon Oct 30, 2006 5:50 am 
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If your bass has the cap, maybe removing it would help?


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 Post subject: Re: Projection Problem
 Post Posted: Mon Oct 30, 2006 9:45 am 
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I doubt that a '78 would have the tone cap, unless it was added later.


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 Post subject: Re: Projection Problem
 Post Posted: Mon Oct 30, 2006 11:01 am 
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A '78 4001 would have the .0047 capacitor. Even the 4003 had it in it's first few years of production. I think it was '84 or '85 when the .0047 cap was not installed anymore.

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 Post subject: Re: Projection Problem
 Post Posted: Tue Oct 31, 2006 5:46 pm 
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Sorefinger, how new / old is your P-bass?


The Precision is a 2003/4 Mexican. (If anyone tells you the Mexican Fenders are not as loud as the Yanks and Japs THEY'RE DEAF!)
My prefered weapon of choice is the good old Rick, but for the authentic sound when working with KOZMIC, the Janis Joplin Tribute Band, (www.janisjoplintribute.com he added, as a shameless advert!) it has to be Fender.

I believe my 4001 does have the capacitor on the bridge p/u, but the projection problem is an overall thing not just on one pick up.

I'm going to try a Behringer BEQ700 graphic pedal for selected frequency boosting. I'll let you know how I get on.....meanwhile any other suggestions most welcome.


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 Post subject: Re: Projection Problem
 Post Posted: Tue Oct 31, 2006 6:13 pm 
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A pbass has a thicker bottem end than a Rick does.


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 Post subject: Re: Projection Problem
 Post Posted: Mon Nov 06, 2006 7:14 am 
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Sorefinger, how new / old is your P-bass?


The Precision is a 2003/4 Mexican.


The pickups of your MIM P-Bass should be quite a bit hotter than the pickups in your '78 4001. This is a just a difference in the pickups made in different time periods, The pickups in a recently made MIM P-bass would also be quite a bit hotter than the pickups of a '70 USA made P-bass.
If you A/B'ed a '70's 4001 and a '70's P-bass, you would find the 4001 cuts through the mix better than the old P-bass.
As music changed and bands got louder, aftermarket pickups companies emerged. I had to put a set of DiMarzio pickups in my '76 USA made Precision to be heard in the band I was in at the time (late '70's - early '80's). Then guitar companies made their pickups hotter in the mid to late '80's. Some guitar companies just installed aftermarket pickups as a regular feature.
The pickups of a new 4003 would have more output than your P-Bass.
If you did the .0047 capacitor mod on your 4001, you would would have more output and low end.
I don't agree that P-basses have more low end than a 4001.

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 Post subject: Re: Projection Problem
 Post Posted: Tue Nov 07, 2006 4:11 am 
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Hey, Sorefinger. These are all valid points. I'd like to bring up another.

Try backing your neck pup off -or even turn it off- and turn your amp up to the volume you're getting with the Precision. I think you'll have the projection and punch you're looking for. Your Ric's neck pup, being near the neck like it is, is where all the heavy, deep fundamentals are and they demand a LOT from an amplifier and it's spkr (actually, close to 4X amp-pwr and/or spkr dsplcmt). Also, be sure your Ric pickups are adjusted in proximity to the strings. Good luck.

ps: this only works w/o the treb-pup cap


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 Post subject: Re: Projection Problem
 Post Posted: Tue Nov 07, 2006 7:00 am 
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Sorefinger, I was also wondering if your 4001 could use a setup and if you use different strings on the 4001 and the P-bass.
You may also have to eq your 4001 differently than the P-bass. I have three 4001 basses from the '70's they all cut through the sound of a loud band very well.

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