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 Post subject: Re: Why not a Paul Weller model?
 Post Posted: Tue Dec 07, 2010 2:44 am 
 
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It's hard to think of anyone, especially in the UK, who brought Ricks so much to the forefront.

Johnny Marr! His signature 1983 330JG, his 1993, his 330/12FG... among others. He brought Ric's to the fore!


Good point! I would argue, however, that Paul played Ricks almost exclusively in The Jam--with only a couple of exceptions. Marr played several different types of guitars with The Smiths, especially later on.

In the States, I would nominate Peter Buck!


Exactly. Im a massive weller fan but lets face it Weller only occasionally uses a RIC in a video.If there is going to a new sig model,which there probably isnt,Its not going to a Paul Weller model.
Id rather see WTE,BG and Auntum glo back for another COY return.Now thats another can of worms altogether and ive not even mentioned a possible new model either..........
Well i did just there but you get the jist...


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 Post Posted: Tue Dec 07, 2010 3:53 am 
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My twopenneth worth.

In the days of The Jam. Weller played RICs almost exclusively, but, and I should here say I got my RIC mainly because of his playing them, he never really had a distinctive RIC sound that was his own, like Petty for example. It was just 330s being played loud and that was it.

The other thing that goes against the idea of a Weller Signature model is that he seems almost anti-RIC these days.

Let me explain: after years of never playing any of The Jam back catalogue live - he wanted to distance himself from those days - he finally started adding a few tunes into his set but he seems to refuse to play a RIC to do so. Just the other week I saw him live at Bournemouth and he played Art School, on a Telecaster! There was a RIC in the mix but it was played by Steve Cradock.

Why would you make a Sig model for a man that will not play it ever?

However, if RIC can make a 330 that gives me this sound and energy then I'm selling a kidney on ebay and I'll be first in the queue ;-)

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 Post subject: Re: Why not a Paul Weller model?
 Post Posted: Tue Dec 07, 2010 4:01 am 
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More to the point for me is why no pic of Weller / Foxton / The Jam in the Gallery here?

The Jam may not have made it big in the USA, but they certainly brought RIC a lot of customers from the UK


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 Post subject: Re: Why not a Paul Weller model?
 Post Posted: Tue Dec 07, 2010 4:36 am 
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Our gallery consists of photos that are covered by our copyright, pretty much as a matter of necessity on a corporate owned website like this.

There ARE no photos of Paul Weller or the Jam that meet this criteria. But how hard is it to use Google Images to find all the photos you could ever want for virtually any popular artist?


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 Post subject: Re: Why not a Paul Weller model?
 Post Posted: Tue Dec 07, 2010 7:14 am 
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John, it was simple question. I understand the copyright issues, do you have to be quite so dismissive and patronising to your customer base?


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 Post subject: Re: Why not a Paul Weller model?
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My twopenneth worth.

In the days of The Jam. Weller played RICs almost exclusively, but, and I should here say I got my RIC mainly because of his playing them, he never really had a distinctive RIC sound that was his own, like Petty for example. It was just 330s being played loud and that was it.

The other thing that goes against the idea of a Weller Signature model is that he seems almost anti-RIC these days.

Let me explain: after years of never playing any of The Jam back catalogue live - he wanted to distance himself from those days - he finally started adding a few tunes into his set but he seems to refuse to play a RIC to do so. Just the other week I saw him live at Bournemouth and he played Art School, on a Telecaster! There was a RIC in the mix but it was played by Steve Cradock.

Why would you make a Sig model for a man that will not play it ever?




I think you make a good point, but then again if you look at the "C" Series, for example, it's a re-creation of guitars that the Beatles played. John retired his Ricks and took up his Epiphone Casino, among other guitars. (I've read that he may have used one of his Ricks to record "Double Fantasy"). George also retired his Ricks for SG's. Les Pauls, Telecasters, etc. (Although he went back to his original 12-string 360 for "Cloud Nine"). Paul, of course, played his 4001S into the 1970s with Wings, then flirted with various other brands before returning to his Höfner. Even with all of the changes the Beatles went through with their different guitars, I think they made their greatest impression while playing Rickenbackers--especially in the film "A Hard Day's Night." While Paul Weller has switched to different guitar brands following his days in The Jam, I think his influence on an entire generation of British guitarists was (and continues to be) huge. And this influence includes the use of Rickenbackers. Both he and Bruce Foxton influenced me with Rickenbackers I've purchased, so why not officially recognize their influence, or at least Weller's, with a signature model.

Also, I think Rickenbacker is quite careful regarding copyright laws, which is probably why Mr. Hall responded in the way he did about photos of The Jam not being posted in the Rickenbacker photo gallery. Perhaps if they had been official Rickenbacker endorsers like the Smithereens, there might have been "official" Rickenbacker-owned photos of them in the gallery. I'm not sure how strict British copyright law is regarding images, but it's been really tightened up recently here in the States. You're lucky--I don't think Britain has as litigious a society as does the USA.

And finally, you never know--Paul Weller might be flattered with a signature model Rickenbacker! I find the fact that he's playing his old Rick 330 in the "Wake Up the Nation" video to be encouraging!


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 Post subject: Re: Why not a Paul Weller model?
 Post Posted: Fri Dec 10, 2010 3:39 am 
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I still don't understand the idea of paying huge extra money to get a guitar with anothers persons signature on it - and have it made to this persons personally prefered specs. Wouldn't it be better to get a guitar that suit your personal specs?

But - if the world really need Rickenbackers build for somebody else and not you then why not chose innovative and original players from the sixties - who really helped Rickenbacker to became a first choice in rock'n'roll guitars as per John Lennon anmd Pete Townshend - people who actually could play as well :o) such as Tony Hicks, Ray Davies, John Fogerty and many others - and not these punky three chord aekvilibrist of the 80's ???

And...: I've been working with copyright, pirating, and illegal cloning of other artists work and designs for more than 10 years - and I think that mr. Halls respect for these immaterial rights and their protecting laws are excellent and should be - well - copied by the rest of the world :o)

That's btw why I gladly burn Japanese and other copy guitars in my fire place :o) Believe it or not...


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 Post subject: Re: Why not a Paul Weller model?
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The Ric the Weller plays in the Wake up the Nation video was given to Steve Craddock a few years back. I think it was a birthday present from Paul.

It don't have the Ric tail piece, it looks to have been modified at some point in Wellers stint in the Jam.

I myself is looking for a Jetglo 330/6 with the black truss rod and pickguards.

I personally wouldn't go for a Weller limited edition RIC as I wouldn't stand on stage playing a Ric with someones else's name on it. (My opinion sorry)

Though I love Lennon, Harrison, Weller and Townshend, I'd never buy one of those limited ones. I play mine to death/rough it up a little and give it a few knocks etc, not sit and stare over a cup of tea with my chums, or keep it under the bed to sell on a rainy day, x



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 Post subject: Re: Why not a Paul Weller model?
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Oh, yeah, I'd play it too! I know some people who are mainly collectors would probably keep it in the case, but to me a guitar is made to be played! Even if I had one of those signature editions, I'd still play it.


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 Post subject: Re: Why not a Paul Weller model?
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I still don't understand the idea of paying huge extra money to get a guitar with anothers persons signature on it - and have it made to this persons personally prefered specs. Wouldn't it be better to get a guitar that suit your personal specs?

We do not agree very often, but this time I think you are absolutely right. It would be a far better idea to reintroduce custom features (such as choice of pickups, vibrato options, custom colors etc.) than to offer certain signature models again.

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