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 Post subject: Re: Johnny Marr - Falling in love with the guitar
 Post Posted: Sat Jan 14, 2012 1:31 pm 
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ByrdBro wrote:
Johnny Marr kind of moved on as it were but why can't he still praise Rics even though he doesn't appear to use them much now?

John & George moved on to Epi Casinos and George Strats & at times Teles. Doesn't mean they fell out of love with Rics, they simply needed to get other sounds etc..

To your first point... I think I complained/commented on it plenty in this thread, but my belief is that if Johnny Marr has seldom used Rics through his career, then he should make statements, such as, "My dream guitar is a 200 mile long Ric" or whatever. Johnny Marr has plenty of guitars, and certainly has the room for all the Rics he wants. If the Ric were truly his dream guitar, wouldn't he use and adapt it more?

To your second point... The Beatles sounds like the Beatles no matter what guitars they played. I don't think a Rickenbacker limits the player in getting different sounds, so I don't think the band made a logical choice to halt playing their Rics in favor of other instruments simply to get new sounds. I have my own theories, but would rather keep them off the board.


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 Post subject: Re: Johnny Marr - Falling in love with the guitar
 Post Posted: Mon Jan 30, 2012 11:44 am 
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I'm a bit late with this contribution but what effects was he using with the Fender Amp and the 330.....( Chorus, delay, reverb, compression, flange ).......Any solid ideas??


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 Post subject: Re: Johnny Marr - Falling in love with the guitar
 Post Posted: Mon Jan 30, 2012 2:47 pm 
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David..Uk1971 wrote:
I'm a bit late with this contribution but what effects was he using with the Fender Amp and the 330.....( Chorus, delay, reverb, compression, flange ).......Any solid ideas??

Probably Compression, and perhaps some sort of overdrive (Which may have come from the amp itself). The effect he uses for "There is a Light" reminds me of the Digitech Space Station, except without the annoying echo.


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 Post subject: Re: Johnny Marr - Falling in love with the guitar
 Post Posted: Wed Feb 01, 2012 7:20 pm 
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That amp doesn't have built-in overdrive - it's an old Fender blackface of some sort, I believe a DR. It's more than likely just the sound of the amp itself that you're hearing as overdrive. He may be using something very transparent, though, like a Klon Centaur or something - he does seem to step on something around 0:40 in the second video when he does the riff from "What Difference Does it Make?" but you can still hear the amp's tone, too, so I'm not 100 percent sure. If he is using an O/D, he doesn't have it on the whole time.

He is definitely using reverb as you can hear when he stops a chord (like around 0:38) and it's still ringing through the amp springs. And obviously amp tremolo at around 2:00 when he does "How Soon is Now?" No flange or delay, though, I'd bet. Compression is the hard one here -- YouTube compresses the heck out of the audio of anything you post, so even if he didn't use a compressor - it can sound compressed because of the audio transfer and then sound even moreso when heard through computer speakers.


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 Post subject: Re: Johnny Marr - Falling in love with the guitar
 Post Posted: Wed Feb 01, 2012 10:53 pm 
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Rickissippi wrote:
Compression is the hard one here -- YouTube compresses the heck out of the audio of anything you post, so even if he didn't use a compressor - it can sound compressed because of the audio transfer and then sound even moreso when heard through computer speakers.


Can't remember where I read it, in an interview or something where JM says he uses a Diamond Compressor on practicly everything he does and could not live without it.

I picked up one on that recomendation alone and I must say it's a very natural sounding compressor that dosn't seem to mess with your actual tone at all.


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 Post subject: Re: Johnny Marr - Falling in love with the guitar
 Post Posted: Thu Feb 02, 2012 10:47 am 
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I think there is some confusion on how Youtube works. The audio, as in the sound itself, is not compressed. The audio file itself may be, but I don't notice any added compression on any videos/songs I have posted. The difference would be the old comparison of FLAC to MP3, which years ago was a big deal, but MP3s, if they were created within the past few years, have little difference to the source/CD. The only difference in most Youtube videos compared to the original source material is that the picture is grainy, but not the audio.

That all depends on bandwidth also. If someone's uploading a video through a slower connection, it can affect the quality sometimes.


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 Post subject: Re: Johnny Marr - Falling in love with the guitar
 Post Posted: Tue Feb 07, 2012 3:20 pm 
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It's sometimes subtle - but a seasoned ear can catch it. A better comparison would be a totally non-compressed file (like AIFF or WAV) to a lossy, compressed (AAC or MP3). FLAC and ALAC are "lossless" compressed files. It's a bandwidth issue. My band just completed a record in the past few months and we accidentally made a few copies of the master reference disc with mp3s before realizing it and chunking those in favor of copies with AIFF files for us to listen to in our own cars/homes. When comparing the mp3 master to the AIFF master, there was definitely a difference. In fact, there were things about the mp3 disc we flat out disliked, thinking it was a mixing/mastering issue, before learning we were listening to lossy files. So there is a degradation in audio, although no, it does not necessarily result in sounding like a guitar-effect compression pedal - however, it does make the pure sound of the source less reliable.

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Rickissippi wrote:
Can't remember where I read it, in an interview or something where JM says he uses a Diamond Compressor on practicly everything he does and could not live without it.

Oh, I don't doubt that he uses one all the time in most of his professional settings, I was just wondering if he bothered to plug one if for just a quick strum during an interview like this. Maybe so.


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 Post subject: Re: Johnny Marr - Falling in love with the guitar
 Post Posted: Tue Feb 28, 2012 12:54 am 
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Rickissippi wrote:
Incredible. What a master.



I believe we slowly devalue our languages by using superlatives to describe average events. Is Marr really a master?

He strums three chords in two different voicings - and that's exactly what any average guitar player can do - so that you can't hear the difference. It's a great sound - but it has nothing to with being a master in my book.


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 Post subject: Re: Johnny Marr - Falling in love with the guitar
 Post Posted: Tue Feb 28, 2012 2:40 pm 
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It's all down to opinion but in my opinion and thousands of other peoples opinions, he certainly is a master. I think his music speaks for itself.


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 Post subject: Re: Johnny Marr - Falling in love with the guitar
 Post Posted: Tue Feb 28, 2012 2:52 pm 
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David..Uk1971 wrote:
It's all down to opinion but in my opinion and thousands of other peoples opinions, he certainly is a master. I think his music speaks for itself.

Who would dispute that? 8-) The guys play impeccably. I challenge any doubter to correctly playing "This Charming Man," and then consider how much influence he's had on others.

There are much lesser players who are considered masters based on their influence alone.


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