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 Post subject: Re: Lennon's 325 and vibrato
 Post Posted: Fri May 14, 2010 8:24 am 
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Hi Everyone,
This is my first post here.

It was confirmed to me by Yoko Ono that John Lennon played his first Rickenbacker (V81) on Walking On Thin Ice on the overdubbed lead guitar solo and mixing session done on December 8th, 1980, hours before he passed.

I specifically detailed the guitar and its visual appearance, so there would be no mistaking it.

I have had people argue this, despite Yoko's confirmation. There's no doubt in my mind that Yoko remembers everthing about that evening vividly.

I thought it was very kind of her to confirm it.

So there you have it: V81 was the last guitar John ever played.


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 Post subject: Re: Lennon's 325 and vibrato
 Post Posted: Fri May 14, 2010 4:36 pm 
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here is a list of songs that there is some concensus there is a Bigsby being wiggled (some of them may be John).

"I'm a Loser", "It's Only Love", "Baby's in Black", "Everybody's Trying to Be My Baby" (Star Club), "I Don't Want to Spoil the Party", "I'm Down", "The Night Before" (coda), "Another Girl" (coda, Paul), "Act Naturally", "Dizzy Miss Lizzie" (live), "Lucille" (at the BBC), "Mr Moonlight" solo (Hamburg)


you forgot the double-tracked or delayed guitar Solo in "Can't Buy Me Love", it definitely has a Bigsby being used.

I suspect the Vibrato in "It's Only Love" was a Magnatone M-15 amplifier. That's how those amplifiers sound.

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 Post subject: Re: Lennon's 325 and vibrato
 Post Posted: Fri May 14, 2010 4:41 pm 
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Hi Everyone,
This is my first post here.
It was confirmed to me by Yoko Ono that John Lennon played his first Rickenbacker (V81) on Walking On Thin Ice on the overdubbed lead guitar solo and mixing session done on December 8th, 1980, hours before he passed.
I specifically detailed the guitar and its visual appearance, so there would be no mistaking it.
I have had people argue this, despite Yoko's confirmation. There's no doubt in my mind that Yoko remembers everthing about that evening vividly.
I thought it was very kind of her to confirm it.
So there you have it: V81 was the last guitar John ever played.


the question I would ask: does Yoko know the difference between the First and Last Rickenbackers owned by John? personally I doubt it because they looked the same.

and did she tell you where is the 325-12 made especially for him?


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 Post subject: Re: Lennon's 325 and vibrato
 Post Posted: Sat May 15, 2010 6:18 am 
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the question I would ask: does Yoko know the difference between the First and Last Rickenbackers owned by John? personally I doubt it because they looked the same.

and did she tell you where is the 325-12 made especially for him?


Yes, she would know as they did not look the same at the time. V81 had been restored to its original natural finish years earlier.


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 Post subject: Re: Lennon's 325 and vibrato
 Post Posted: Sat May 15, 2010 10:24 am 
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Hi Everyone,
This is my first post here.
It was confirmed to me by Yoko Ono that John Lennon played his first Rickenbacker (V81) on Walking On Thin Ice on the overdubbed lead guitar solo and mixing session done on December 8th, 1980, hours before he passed.
I specifically detailed the guitar and its visual appearance, so there would be no mistaking it.
I have had people argue this, despite Yoko's confirmation. There's no doubt in my mind that Yoko remembers everthing about that evening vividly.
I thought it was very kind of her to confirm it.
So there you have it: V81 was the last guitar John ever played.


the question I would ask: does Yoko know the difference between the First and Last Rickenbackers owned by John? personally I doubt it because they looked the same.

and did she tell you where is the 325-12 made especially for him?
The 325/12 made for John was in the Rock and Roll hall of fame in Cleveland when i visited it about 5 months ago


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 Post subject: Re: Lennon's 325 and vibrato
 Post Posted: Sat May 15, 2010 8:40 pm 
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Yes. Agreed. Ron DeMarino's stripping of V81 in '72 and replacing the original gold guard with a plain white one made it easily spotted.

For what it's worth, Fred Seaman (Lennon's assistant at that time), brought many of Lennon's old Beatle guitars available into the Hit Factory studio starting in August of '80. Specifically, these were: V81 (The '58 Capri), DB122 (The Miami), and 328393 (The Epiphone), and second J160e (Bed-In). The 1996 was left at Tittenhurst, with Ringo.

Only the '58 Capri could be used. The others were in various states of disrepair. The worst being the Miami, which in '71 May Pang was sent to England to retrieve both it and V81 from John's Aunt Mimi, who was entrusted with them. May Pang told me personally that even in '71, the glued headstock crack on DB122 had given away and the guitar was unplayable as it wouldn't hold tune. It's safe to assume that nothing had been done to the guitar in the remaining years of John's life.

However, it was John's intent to have both of the Rickenbackers restored yet again to jet black, have the headstock crack on DB122 properly reset and have the Casino restored to its original sunburst in preparation for a spring tour that was scheduled to kick off on Valentine's Day in Tokyo. Of course, none of it materialized.

While it is confirmed that V81 was used on Walking on Thin Ice, there are several suggested songs that we can hear it being played on. These include; Woman, Nobody Told Me and Stepping Out.

Personally, the thing I find really ironic is that V81 literally bookends Lennon's professional recording career, being the first and last guitar he stepped into the studio with from Abbey Road in '62, to the evening he died in New York eighteen years later.


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 Post subject: Re: Lennon's 325 and vibrato
 Post Posted: Sat May 15, 2010 10:22 pm 
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Personally, the thing I find really ironic is that V81 literally bookends Lennon's professional recording career, being the first and last guitar he stepped into the studio with from Abbey Road in '62, to the evening he died in New York eighteen years later.


V81 was also with John Lennon during the 1961 recording sessions in Hamburg.


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 Post subject: Re: Lennon's 325 and vibrato
 Post Posted: Sat May 15, 2010 11:32 pm 
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V81 was also with John Lennon during the 1961 recording sessions in Hamburg.


Yes indeed!
On of the best "demos" (if you will) of the original V81 sound is the 1961 Bert Kämpfert produced German recording of the Beatles' Cry For A Shadow. Lennon's original 325 is very prominent in the published mix and in fact opens this great Harrison/Lennon penned instrumental tune.
(To get an excellent idea of what a 325C58 sounds likes, this is perhaps the most sterling single example).

Also (I believe) Lennon's song 'Woman" from the 1980 made and released Double Fantasy L.P. has Lennon playing V81.
It is important to remember at this juncture that the Johnster's 325 Miami (db122) was at this point suffering the worst from pains of it's nagging chronic headstock problem which had been poorly repaired and that his RM 1996 was away in Ringo's hands at this point, so the only 325 based 6 string Ric Lennon had at his immediate disposal was V81.

I won't even editorialize further as to what horrific cosmetic Dr. Mengele hash that NYC talentless luthier made of V81 but, at least the venerable Ric was playable and fully functional.

It is perhaps fitting as fate had determined that the very beginning and the very end (on the very day John Lennon died!) that Rickenbacker played such a major significant role. Ultimately we all here present probably never would have owned a Ric had it not been for the Chief Beatle and his admiration of Jean "Toots" Thielemans way back when.




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 Post subject: Re: Lennon's 325 and vibrato
 Post Posted: Sun May 16, 2010 12:26 am 
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It would be interesting if John had ever met the absolute master of the Bigsby, the late John Cippolina of Quicksilver. His stinging accents to every song he played on might have given John some unique "punctuations" to draw from.

Might have even gotten John the art student to enjoy John C.s "batwing" SG and later Carvin. I think, though, in those days, having a Bigsby was a "cool" look requirement, kind of like swapping out stock mufflers for "glass packs".

"Back in the day" the use of churning 12 string in Jefferson Airplane got my attention ( I now own a MG '94) and I got to chat with Cippolina briefly before he went on at a club in Berkeley. He was the nicest, most unassuming guy who explained to me how he helped keep his Bigsby from going too badly out of tune.......something about using a ball peen hammer to "cup' out a nickle (as in 5 cents) and put it under the Bigsby spring.

I'm sure Lennon was probably just as approachable back in the Hamburg days.

Try that today now that musicians are "stars' and play to no one in particular in
huge stadiums. ( By the way, a slightly overdriven RIC 12 sounds tastefully nasty playing the old Quicksilver anthem "Mona")


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 Post subject: Re: Lennon's 325 and vibrato
 Post Posted: Mon May 17, 2010 5:24 am 
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However, it was John's intent to have both of the Rickenbackers restored yet again to jet black, have the headstock crack on DB122 properly reset and have the Casino restored to its original sunburst in preparation for a spring tour that was scheduled to kick off on Valentine's Day in Tokyo. Of course, none of it materialized.

I can't believe how many reports there are of this so called "Headstock" crack in DB122. The crack is clearly on the neck behind the fingerboard and does not extend to the headstock.


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