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 Post subject: Rickenbacker 325 Rose Morris 1996
 Post Posted: Mon May 30, 2011 6:49 pm 
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I have been presented with the opportunity to buy this very fine model. I saw it on the flesh, or should I say wood, and it looks amazing!
Any thoughts on this particular model ? playability? rarity? value?

http://www.facebook.com/l.php?u=http%3A ... ml&h=153bb

The model I was shown was the 1 o'clock f-hole, autumn fireglo, mid seventies in mint status....I am thinking to trade in my 330MG + selling blood...any advice?


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 Post subject: Re: Rickenbacker 325 Rose Morris 1996
 Post Posted: Tue May 31, 2011 12:22 pm 
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anothersixstringer wrote:
The model I was shown was the 1 o'clock f-hole, autumn fireglo, mid seventies in mint status.


The 70's date of manufacture would make the guitar a model 325 (if all parts are original from the factory) with a fireglo finish. The Rose, Morris 1996 export model (the fireglo short scale played by John Lennon) was available in the 1960's.

In 2006, RIC reissued model 1996 and it was available for a limited time.


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 Post subject: Re: Rickenbacker 325 Rose Morris 1996
 Post Posted: Tue May 31, 2011 8:44 pm 
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Thanks for the reply. Very interesting.
I agree that might not be a Rose Morris sold guitar, but the claim is that this is a 'Beatle Backer' (http://www.thecanteen.com/lennon6.html) aka "model 1996"
I know you are correct on the 60's production run and the reissue on 2006, as I spent some time on the interwebs looking for more information. The RickResource register also confirms no 70's run.
However, the seller sent me a picture of the plate with the OI stamped on top, which means 1975 and I guess September= I ( http://vintageguitarpro.com/serialrickenbacker.shtml)
I do not have his permission to share the pictures, but I am sure he wouldn't mind if I post this one here, that pictures the 'Beatle Backer' features.

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This suggests three things to me :
- This is a one off actually built on the 70s
- The plate is incorrect and/or the decoding system is incorrect
- The plate was changed from another guitar

The plot thickens :)
btw, the guitar is an absolute beauty, regardless the classification/value that it might have.


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 Post subject: Re: Rickenbacker 325 Rose Morris 1996
 Post Posted: Tue May 31, 2011 9:39 pm 
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No mystery at all... It is a stock 1975 320 in Fireglo with an f-hole which was common at the time.

Someone has added an accent vibrato, black knobs and toaster pick ups - none of which would have been on the guitar when it left the factory.

It is not a 1996 and never was no matter what modifications were made to it.

Hopefully the OI jack plate is authentic. Check the codes on the pots to confirm that it is a 1975 manufacture.


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 Post subject: Re: Rickenbacker 325 Rose Morris 1996
 Post Posted: Tue May 31, 2011 9:42 pm 
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Check out OI 6396 in the Rick register for how it would have looked when it left the factory

http://www.rickresource.com/register/vi ... 6order%3D5

Or OG 4412

http://www.rickresource.com/register/vi ... 6order%3D5


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 Post subject: Re: Rickenbacker 325 Rose Morris 1996
 Post Posted: Wed Jun 01, 2011 9:37 am 
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Got it now, thanks a lot Ontario_RIC_fan!
Much, much appreciated!
This serves me well for being so gullible :/
As you see, it never occurred to me that the guitar was actually modified, therefore option 4 was:
- The guitar was modified to 'look' like a '1996'

Going back to the seller's email, I see that he named it a '320/325', although verbally was described as a 'Beatle Backer' ....everything falls into place now

Bottom line is that this should be much less than the asking price, good thing I don't have a fat (or even, medium sized) wallet, or I have pressed the trigger right away.

Good thing that we have you and all the fine Ric forumites here to help us newbies with this :)

Thanks again!


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 Post subject: Re: Rickenbacker 325 Rose Morris 1996
 Post Posted: Wed Jun 01, 2011 11:37 am 
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Don't beat yourself up! We learn from each other on these forums

Rickenbackers are still relatively rare in Canada. and it is still a vintage instrument... So it is worth something indeed... Just not as much as an authentic 1964-66 Rose Morris export model.

I have a 320 of similar vintage (Aug 1977) which I love very much. But if I want a version of John Lennon's guitar then I will buy a vintage one or one of RIC's very accurate vintage reissues... Why destroy a perfectly good 70's Rickenbacker to try to turn it into something that it never was...

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 Post subject: Re: Rickenbacker 325 Rose Morris 1996
 Post Posted: Wed Jun 01, 2011 2:39 pm 
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anothersixstringer wrote:
I am thinking to trade in my 330MG...any advice?


If you have never played a "short scale" guitar, try it out to see how the "playability" works for you before you trade in or sell your full scale Rick. I've got a short scale model and really enjoy it.


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 Post subject: Re: Rickenbacker 325 Rose Morris 1996
 Post Posted: Thu Jun 02, 2011 1:35 pm 
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Just make sure to put a set of 12's on it so there will be enough tension and the strings don't flop


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 Post subject: Re: Rickenbacker 325 Rose Morris 1996
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13s.


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