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 Post subject: 1964 Rose Morris 1997?
 Post Posted: Fri Jun 19, 2015 9:36 pm 
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Wondering if anyone can shed any light on the history of this guitar

It seems to have had a number of modifications made over the years and it currently has a few 'issues'

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 Post subject: Re: 1964 Rose Morris 1997?
 Post Posted: Mon Jun 22, 2015 7:44 am 
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February 1964?

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 Post subject: Re: 1964 Rose Morris 1997?
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I hope someone explains to this guy how the vintage "hairpin" truss rods work or that geet will need more than just a re-fret! :shock:

Thanks for sharing :)


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 Post subject: Re: 1964 Rose Morris 1997?
 Post Posted: Mon Jun 22, 2015 11:16 pm 
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I can pass on comments directly, so exactly what is it about vintage hairpins that needs explaining?


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 Post subject: Re: 1964 Rose Morris 1997?
 Post Posted: Tue Jun 23, 2015 8:14 am 
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First, the serial number does not match the model of the guitar, as shipped. Something's wrong there. Second, I don't think this is any kind of prototype; the letter codes only deal with internal factory matters, such as day painted so that they knew how long it had dried. I also don't see how the frets could be crooked, as in that era Ken Suga used a specially modified table saw that had metal fixturing to hold and locate the fingerboard. It does look like the fingerboard has suffered some kind of trauma.

Indeed, the wiring setup is highly modified.

I didn't hear any particular problems with the way he suggested he was going to straighten the neck, although normally the technique he describes is done with some heat. What he doesn't mention is how he'll adjust the strung up neck after treatment; hopefully he'll take the advice in the manual that you must move the neck to position and only snug the rods to hold it, rather than use the rods to force the adjustment. Also, any right-angle tool has the potential to damage the rods unless great care is taken. The nut driver type of tool is the recommended tool for this.


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 Post subject: Re: 1964 Rose Morris 1997?
 Post Posted: Tue Jun 23, 2015 10:51 am 
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Hi...

I'm the guy fixing up the guitar!

Some interesting comments! I know all about the truss-rod and the neck situation with Rick necks. Thanks for the reminders :)

As suggested, heat is the trusted method of removing back-bow but, the bow is now that slight (due to the clamping), I have decided to build a jig (like the Stewmac / Erlewine one) as I think this will be my best option. The slight back-bow now present will easily pull out with string tension. If you think I should get rid of all the back-bow before I replace the frets, or, rather than straighten it in a jig, then just say so... I'm here for advice if anyone knows better than me :)

Luckily, the truss rods in this guitar are dead straight and I bought a 1/4 wrench just for these rods last week (it arrived yesterday).

I'm interested to do some more digging and will post detailed pictures tomorrow.

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 Post subject: Re: 1964 Rose Morris 1997?
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Out of interest what model should the serial number be?

All that is really known is that the guitar was bought in the mid 70's and was bequeathed to his nephew recently.

To my knowledge, the neck is being clamped down for a few days to try and straighten it, before tightening the truss rods to hold it in place.

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 Post subject: Re: 1964 Rose Morris 1997?
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NG17_Victor wrote:
As suggested, heat is the trusted method of removing back-bow but, the bow is now that slight (due to the clamping), I have decided to build a jig (like the Stewmac / Erlewine one) as I think this will be my best option. The slight back-bow now present will easily pull out with string tension. If you think I should get rid of all the back-bow before I replace the frets, or, rather than straighten it in a jig, then just say so... I'm here for advice if anyone knows better than me :)


Generally speaking, just the slightest backbow is desirable to, as you mention, offset the string tension. That does allow you the greatest range of adjustment later.

The Erlewine system is fine, as is just about any clamping system you can set up on the bench. However, looking at the photo, I would put another more solid support at the heel, even right under the heel block itself. That neck support is just a bit tall for this guitar and it would be nicer if the back of the body were in contact with the surface of the bench or at least built up more with a flat solid surface unlike the rag that's there. But this is really putting a fine point on things.


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 Post subject: Re: 1964 Rose Morris 1997?
 Post Posted: Wed Jun 24, 2015 7:06 am 
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I agree with that ^^^ John! Thanks :)

I have taken more detailed photo's so we can try and identify what guitar this is. It looks exactly like the UK import 1997 model. I believe that was a 1966 model imported by Rose Morris. The serial dates this guitar to February 1964. The only other mark of note is the ' #3 ' written inside the control cavity and a letter ' B ' in pencil. That's it!

I'll upload the pictures later...

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 Post subject: Re: 1964 Rose Morris 1997?
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I'm also going to do as you suggest and get the body supported correctly! The pictures/method Skygod posted was just a temporary way of me clamping so I could remove some back-bow! I would never attempt to re-fret without solid foundations/suport! This guitar will get the very best of care when I come to doing the work on it. The only thing holding me back is lack of specialist tools. By the time I come to work on this, I would have spent £400.00 ($600.00) on tools! That's how I work at the moment = work for tools. I'm nearly there regarding all the repair tools I need but a jig is paramount to me moving forwards...

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