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 Post subject: 4001 Mono output plate (is this genuine)
 Post Posted: Wed Dec 02, 2009 12:34 am 
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Quick question,

Has there ever been a genuine 2 pickup, Mono output 4001 with the word "Mono" stamped on the output plate.

I have seen a bass today, havent bought it - I was told its a 4001, everything seems correct for the mono model (dot inlays, no binding, toaster pickup, horseshoe)

unfortunatly I can't recall the serial number, but im fairly sure the word "Mono" was on the plate.


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 Post subject: Re: 4001 Mono output plate (is this genuine)
 Post Posted: Wed Dec 02, 2009 1:19 am 
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Many of the 60s 4001 basses were standard mono and the Rick-o-sound was an option.

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 Post subject: Re: 4001 Mono output plate (is this genuine)
 Post Posted: Wed Dec 02, 2009 1:25 am 
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A 1970s 4001S fits that description as well.

But with the word 'Mono' actually stamped on the plate? That sounds fake. The typical Japanese 70s 4001 copies have 'Mono' and 'Stereo' stamped into the plate too - real Ricks have 'Standard' and 'Rick-o-Sound' printed on (not stamped) - the only stamping is the serial number.


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 Post subject: Re: 4001 Mono output plate (is this genuine)
 Post Posted: Wed Dec 02, 2009 1:51 am 
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Yes, a 4001S model would only have a single output, but would have only the serial number stamped on the output plate. Here's a picture of an actual output jack plate from a 1980 4001S:

http://rickresource.com/register/user_i ... llsize.jpg


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 Post subject: Re: 4001 Mono output plate (is this genuine)
 Post Posted: Wed Dec 02, 2009 2:16 am 
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I hope I have this wrong, becasue if it were real I'd be tempted to buy.

Maybe I just had "mono" on the mind when I noticed it didnt have the 2 jacks ..

has anybody ever seen a fake 4001S or 4001c64 or anything that fits this description?

The other thing which struck me was, it looked very new, apparently the previous owner didnt play it much, but still, no way was it from the 60's, and if it were, lets just say they werent asking enough for it.


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 Post subject: Re: 4001 Mono output plate (is this genuine)
 Post Posted: Wed Dec 02, 2009 3:53 am 
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The other thing which struck me was, it looked very new, apparently the previous owner didnt play it much, but still, no way was it from the 60's, and if it were, lets just say they werent asking enough for it.


Done a bit more research, it seems likely to be a 4001v63.

anybody seen a fake 4001v63?


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 Post subject: Re: 4001 Mono output plate (is this genuine)
 Post Posted: Wed Dec 02, 2009 4:30 am 
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No, not personally, but it's not impossible.

A few things to check:

Are the strap buttons screwed on with normal crosshead woodscrews, or solid bolts with no visible screw head? (Real ones are solid, unless replaced by Straplocks - fakes are almost always screwed on.)

Does the switch have a long, black toggle, and is the nut that holds it to the plate thin, circular and with fine grooves, and no washer under it? (Fakes usually have a short, sometimes cream, toggle, and a larger rougher nut with a washer under it.)

Are the machineheads the typical 'cloverleaf' type, but with narrower string shafts than the typical Fender ones, and with 'Rickenbacker' stamped on the back? (Unless replaced, fakes don't have these and more normally have cloverleaf heads with *large* shafts, or just cheap-looking heads.)

If you can, ask to see under the truss rod cover/logo plate. A real Rick 4000 series always has two truss rods. (Most - but not absolutely all - fakes only have one.)

If you can take the pickguard off, are the pots about an inch in diameter, or about 3/4" (or smaller). Real ones - unless replaced - are the larger size and have seven-figure date codes beginning with 137. Are the pickup cables grey shielded coaxial (real), or black and white pairs (fake)?

There are a few other things, but these are easy to check and it's unlikely a fake will have all of them right - although it's possible to have *some* right... and equally, possible that a real bass has some replaced parts, although on one that looks as new, very unlikely.

Hope that helps!


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 Post subject: Re: 4001 Mono output plate (is this genuine)
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An absolutely great reference for identifying fakes can be found here:

http://joeysbassnotes.com/Joeys%20frameset.htm

Click on the "Recognizing Rickenbacker Copies" on the left side bar.


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 Post subject: Re: 4001 Mono output plate (is this genuine)
 Post Posted: Wed Dec 02, 2009 5:23 pm 
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An absolutely great reference for identifying fakes can be found here:

http://joeysbassnotes.com/Joeys%20frameset.htm

Click on the "Recognizing Rickenbacker Copies" on the left side bar.
Very informative!


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 Post subject: Re: 4001 Mono output plate (is this genuine)
 Post Posted: Wed Dec 02, 2009 7:33 pm 
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Yeah, Joey's got lots of great info there, not just about fakes. He's got just about everything you need to know about how to do setups, adjusting truss rods, etc. Even a bunch of cool pictures from a tour of the RIC factory!


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