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 Post subject: Headstock of model 4000
 Post Posted: Sun Jun 20, 2010 4:21 am 
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Hello all,

New guy here, great site!

After having owned a model 4000 for years I only yesterday had my first encounter with another Rick-bass (a recent 4003) and saw the headstock is angled backwards. I also saw it mentioned in one of the Rick-factory-tour clips on YTube (7 degrees IIRC).

My curious question: since when is this headstock-angle used on Rick-basses?

My '73 4000 doesn't have it, the headstock is positioned slightly back but is 'flat', so in the same plane as the body. But that bass could sure have used it: it had a problem with string-tension at the nut when I bought it and required ~ugly string-holders to correct it.

That 4000 has been through hell though (shop-fire, severe heat) before I bought it, so who knows the applied headstock-tilt might have disappeared ?
Or is the tilted headstock directly made in that shape ?

Thanks & best regards,

Peter


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 Post subject: Re: Headstock of model 4000
 Post Posted: Sun Jun 20, 2010 4:41 am 
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My curious question: since when is this headstock-angle used on Rick-basses?


Some time in the mid-70s is when the practice started (my 1976 has a very shallow backward angle at the headstock, modern basses have a much deeper angle).


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 Post subject: Re: Headstock of model 4000
 Post Posted: Sun Jun 20, 2010 6:00 am 
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The headstock tilt on RIC basses was never "applied". They were cut that way. Although the older Rick basses had almost no headstock tilt, a nice deep nut with the strings wound properly on the tuner post eliminates the need for string trees.


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 Post subject: Re: Headstock of model 4000
 Post Posted: Sun Jun 20, 2010 7:57 am 
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Welcome Peter!

My '74 4000 had a string tree installed when I bought it - I removed the tree and have never had a problem with string tension at the nut, though I have long been upset about the hole the previous owner drilled in the TRC. I note that my similar vintage 4001 has the same headstock angle (or lack thereof), so the 4000 was not a special case.

I tend to leave several windings of string on each post so the string branches out to the nut at the steepest possible angle.

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 Post subject: Re: Headstock of model 4000
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though I have long been upset about the whole the previous owner drilled in the TRC.

Funny how you notice dumb typos only after the edit period for a posting has lapsed....

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 Post subject: Re: Headstock of model 4000
 Post Posted: Mon Jun 21, 2010 1:21 am 
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I'm sure i read somewhere that the reason the 4003 headstocks are angled is to improve sustain.
Maybe someone can correct me if i'm wrong but i'm fairly sure that was one reason.


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 Post subject: Re: Headstock of model 4000
 Post Posted: Mon Jun 21, 2010 6:31 am 
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Hello,

Thanks all for the replies & the welcome :-)

Good info, I was just surprised to see the headstock-tilt on the 4003 (and I'm glad the RIC-case takes care of it - a regular case will 'conflict' with the tilt I expect), but it sure does make sense to have the tilt.

That 4000 I wrote about unfortunately needs the string guides, despite having the strings leaving the tuner as low as possible... but I must admit it doesn't totally ruin the looks of that bass, there are other factors taking care of that...

A pretty big contrast I must say - the worn blue 4000-body turning into dark blue towards the headstock and then that glossy newish 4003... first thought when I got my hands on the 4003 was that's not only wood, that's also quite some plastic ;-)

Bye all


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