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 Post subject: 4000 series keywinds issues
 Post Posted: Sat Aug 04, 2012 2:51 pm 
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I have a 1974 RIC 4001 that I installed a Dipshot D-Tuner on back in the mid 90's. The D-Tuner (now called Bass Extenders) came with a Gotoh GB7 keywind and was a simple bolt-in replacement, no modifications necessary. :)

However, to keep the headstock looking uniform I installed additional Gotoh GB7 keywinds in the remaining locations which required enlarging the peg holes about 1/16". The original keywinds had bent shafts and the nickel plating was very tarnished. The GB7 keywinds were chrome plated and offered superior performance.

Recently I decided to restore the 4001 and to use the D-Tuner on another instrument. But the original keywinds had too much play in them due to the peg hole enlargement when I installed the GB7's. So, I purchased a set of new Schaller BM keywinds which had larger pegs. However, when I went to install the Schaller BM's the the holes, again, were to small by another 1/16" or so! The biggest problem after I enlarged the holes, though, was that the ferrules provided do not clear the truss rod cover on the E and D strings!

So, anyone considering messing around with stock keywinds be sure to do your homework and consider all the dimensions and consequences! Of course, any suggestions on my current dilemma (i.e. how best to resolve the ferrule clearance problem) are appreciated. I'm thinking the only solution would be to have the bass peg holes doweled and re-drilled for OEM units.


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 Post subject: Re: 4000 series keywinds issues
 Post Posted: Sun Aug 05, 2012 1:11 pm 
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Been there a long time ago! The best tuners for Rick basses are the lighter weight, easy to install originals. This includes both the the Schaller made, chrome plated "Rickenbacker" logo tuners, or the Gotoh made, nickel plated C series tuners. These are Kluson bass key replicas which exceed the quality of the old Kluson tuners while keeping the vintage look.

Both sets have a smaller diameter post with the safety string end slots. Much better for changing strings.


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 Post subject: Re: 4000 series keywinds issues
 Post Posted: Wed Aug 08, 2012 1:36 pm 
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Can the current RIC branded Schaller keywinds be installed w/o having to dowel and drill?


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 Post subject: Re: 4000 series keywinds issues
 Post Posted: Thu Aug 09, 2012 11:53 am 
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No, but Schaller makes a very similar tuner with 1/2" posts. If you chuck each of the ferrules up in a drill, you can hold them to a file while running the drill to turn the top flange down to a size that won't interfere with the truss rod cover.


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