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 Post Posted: Sun Jun 27, 2010 9:39 pm 
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I think that electrocution problem has been largely eliminated, at least in the USA, with the addition of the Neutral wire/circuit in electrical installations. (I'm not an electrician so I'm just guessing).

well at least we no longer hear about guitarists becoming electrocuted.

in my own experience, I no longer get shocked when holding an electric guitar and touching the microphone, but then, I eliminated the ground wire connected from the controls to the bridge or tailpiece in all my guitars, as recommended by Craig Anderton in his book "Electronic Projects for Musicians".

Nevertheless, I feel for those who were electrocuted since the 1960's, they didn't deserve to die that way.

I never was electrocuted obviously, but I sure remember getting zapped many times in the 1960's, some of those times I was left 'dazed and confused' for a while.

Zurdo


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 Post Posted: Sun Jun 27, 2010 11:01 pm 
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Well then, this fully explains why some "dazed and confused" kind of music was made and recorded during that era.


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 Post Posted: Mon Jun 28, 2010 3:36 am 
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Well then, this fully explains why some "dazed and confused" kind of music was made and recorded during that era.


obviously, you've been listening to my old recordings...


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 Post Posted: Tue Oct 05, 2010 8:04 pm 
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but boys, do you need a "static" book to play Beatles songs? (or anybody else's songs?)

Zurdo


Need? Nope. But the inability to use the written form of music is analagous to functional illiteracy, IMHO. People used to be embarrased if it became known that they couldn't read or write. I have yet to fathom why some musicians, (and too often guitar owners), seem to brag about the inability to read, write and understand standard notation.

The Complete Scores Book of which we speak, (I have a copy), is a useful if imperfect tool. [u]I dislike the fine print. If there is anything you want to work with on a music stand or in front of you on a piano, then you either [b]blow it up on a photocopier[/b] or use your Superman Vision[/u].



Is blowing-up/enlarging this the only solution to the ridiculously fine print? I am thinking of that but that really can't be accomplished well with out "disassembling" the book.


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 Post Posted: Wed Oct 06, 2010 8:41 pm 
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Actually it wasn't that which killed him - it was simply the conductor which allowed it to happen. What actually killed him was the fact that either his amp or the PA was live and not grounded (I have no idea which) and the other was grounded. When he held the mic and his guitar at the same time, the current took the path between the two. The guitar was not faulty at all - but essentially it *was* that little wire to the bridge or tailpiece which completed the circuit, yes.

That has happened to me. When I was in high school at a summer concert band camp, one of the evening breaks was a "talent show." So I got a couple of guys and our guitars together for a song or two. The PA was an old 2-prong non-polarized plug. I had been very careful to check the plug and get everything plugged into the correct polarity. Well, wouldn't you know it: someone tripped over the cord, and wanting to be "helpful," simply plugged it back in, of course with the plug reversed. When we got up to play, I was holding my electric guitar, and as I got close to the microphone, a large blue spark made an arc to my lips, the house lights went dim for a second, and I was truly dazed by it. The crowd gasped. I knew exactly what had happened, went over, flipped the plug, and got on with the show.

Always check equipment for proper grounding. Always have worn plugs and power cords replaced by competent techs. Always use a polarity checker on outlets. These are the cheapest life insurance premiums you will ever pay.

The combined voltage on USA mains can be @ 120 + 120 or 240 volts briefly, so it really hurts, but rarely kills. This is because supply current to most buildings is 240 volt, and when you look in an electric box, you will see one leg of the 240 goes to one side of the box for one row of breakers, the other leg goes to the other side of the box for the other row of breakers, and the white neutral is common in the middle. So if the plugs come off separate breakers on opposite sides of the box, you will get a full 240 volt jolt if they are reversed and not grounded properly.

But in the UK, with 220/240 mains, you can see the combined voltage will kill a person.


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 Post Posted: Thu Oct 07, 2010 5:21 pm 
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Actually it wasn't that which killed him - it was simply the conductor which allowed it to happen. What actually killed him was the fact that either his amp or the PA was live and not grounded (I have no idea which) and the other was grounded. When he held the mic and his guitar at the same time, the current took the path between the two. The guitar was not faulty at all - but essentially it *was* that little wire to the bridge or tailpiece which completed the circuit, yes.

That has happened to me. When I was in high school at a summer concert band camp, one of the evening breaks was a "talent show." So I got a couple of guys and our guitars together for a song or two. The PA was an old 2-prong non-polarized plug. I had been very careful to check the plug and get everything plugged into the correct polarity. Well, wouldn't you know it: someone tripped over the cord, and wanting to be "helpful," simply plugged it back in, of course with the plug reversed. When we got up to play, I was holding my electric guitar, and as I got close to the microphone, a large blue spark made an arc to my lips, the house lights went dim for a second, and I was truly dazed by it. The crowd gasped. I knew exactly what had happened, went over, flipped the plug, and got on with the show.

Always check equipment for proper grounding. Always have worn plugs and power cords replaced by competent techs. Always use a polarity checker on outlets. These are the cheapest life insurance premiums you will ever pay.

The combined voltage on USA mains can be @ 120 + 120 or 240 volts briefly, so it really hurts, but rarely kills. This is because supply current to most buildings is 240 volt, and when you look in an electric box, you will see one leg of the 240 goes to one side of the box for one row of breakers, the other leg goes to the other side of the box for the other row of breakers, and the white neutral is common in the middle. So if the plugs come off separate breakers on opposite sides of the box, you will get a full 240 volt jolt if they are reversed and not grounded properly.

But in the UK, with 220/240 mains, you can see the combined voltage will kill a person.


Don't ever place your left hand around the guitarneck/strings while simultaneously touching the microphone - as the power - in case of failure will take a route right thru your heart - probably causing your death.

...OH dear... I've already said that in an earlier post, sorry (even it's still true)


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 Post subject: Re: The Beatles...
 Post Posted: Fri Oct 29, 2010 10:00 am 
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I looked at it. Some of the songs didn't seem to look very accurate, at least to me.


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 Post subject: Re: The Beatles...
 Post Posted: Sun Nov 07, 2010 7:16 am 
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I can't recall a picture of Chris Hillman ever playing a Epiphone bass. Maybe you saw his Guild Starfire?


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 Post Posted: Tue Nov 16, 2010 2:39 am 
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Beatles Back catologue is now on iTunes!


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 Post subject: Re: The Beatles...
 Post Posted: Tue Nov 16, 2010 12:49 pm 
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I don't know why such a major thing was made of the "I-Tunes" deal with Apple.
-None of us were hardly denied access to the Beatles' catalog althought from the Beatles' standpoint I suppose it does make some sense for another opportunity to put some more shekels into their jeans. Globe trotting is an expense thing.

-One thing that looks certain: The Beatles' music certainly has succeeded in getting "survival status" and to say the least, as a really nice ancillary thing, so has the sound of the classic Rics. I guess we can't do better then that. ...


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