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 Post subject: Re: Jingle Jangle
 Post Posted: Sun Jul 22, 2007 7:47 pm 
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Another problem when trying to sound like original recordings from the 60's is that they were vari-speeded. Basically they just sped the tapes up, so not only were they faster but the pitch went up as well.


Right, sorta like 48 RPM records.


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 Post subject: Re: Jingle Jangle
 Post Posted: Sun Jul 22, 2007 9:01 pm 
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The Beatles did this as well, a classic example is the intro Ric sound on Ticket to Ride.


Not just the Intro sound - the whole track is speeded up somewhat like "For No One" and "When I'm 64" (which was actually done to make Paul's voice sound younger)


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 Post subject: Re: Jingle Jangle
 Post Posted: Sun Jul 22, 2007 9:40 pm 
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I too love the guitar sound on R.E.M.'s 'The one I love' but after researching it a bit on the net I was disappointed to read that Buck was playing a Les Paul on that one. Maybe I'm wrong, though.

Also, you're going for that great classic clean sound so you probably want a VOX amp or a nice vintage type of Fender amp.


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 Post subject: Re: Jingle Jangle
 Post Posted: Mon Jul 23, 2007 6:41 am 
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" ... Not just the Intro sound - the whole track is speeded up somewhat like "For No One" and "When I'm 64" (which was actually done to make Paul's voice sound younger)


Actually "vari-speed" which is an offshoot of automatic double tracking (i.e., ADT ) wasn't invented until 1966 by Ken Townsend who was the chief technical engineer at Abbey Road Studios in those days.

The very first song recorded that used these ADT as well as the slightly "speed-up/slow down" vari-speed technologies was the Beatles' "Tommorrow Never Knows" which was recorded in 1966 and released on the Revolver L.P.

"Ticket To Ride" was recorded in 1965.


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 Post subject: Re: Jingle Jangle
 Post Posted: Sat Aug 11, 2007 7:13 pm 
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Geez, and I though you wuz looking for me.


I thought it was going to be a dramatic news release or posting about you Jingle Jangle/Paul.


I thought about the same. But you could be just the guy to answer the question anyway. At least that's what I figure.


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 Post subject: Re: Jingle Jangle
 Post Posted: Mon Sep 24, 2007 4:03 am 
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Check out how my 360-12 FG sounds on You Tube! I'm not well known or even that great of a guitar player...but my Rickenbacker 360-12 still sounds great in spite of my skill or lack there of!

After reading the forum this past summer, I made the decision to change the stock high gains out for the "Vintage Toasters" (7.4k) and they really have given me the sound I was looking for.

These are awesome guitars that are extremely well made and I recommend them highly to everyone that has contacted me about them. As we all know, nothing else sounds like a Rickenbacker! - Buddy Clontz

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z7NwmKC3IR8

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6GSXywtlqpk

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7ueVKqWm7FI


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 Post subject: Re: Jingle Jangle
 Post Posted: Mon Sep 24, 2007 5:44 am 
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Bravo Buddy!

GREAT job!

If this doesn't sell someone a Ric, nothing will.


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 Post subject: Re: Jingle Jangle
 Post Posted: Mon Sep 24, 2007 12:22 pm 
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Yeah, nice playing Buddy :-)


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 Post subject: Re: Jingle Jangle
 Post Posted: Sat Sep 29, 2007 1:53 am 
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Good Job!

With respect to getting the proper jangly sound for the RIC 12(or 6), at tleast for a Birds-y or Beatlesque tone, I find that I get all of the 12 string tone I want just by using a lot of midrange control(about 6 or 7, treble between 3-4, the bass at 4, and the volume pretty much anywhere 2 on up, on a Fender Black face RI, and on a Vox, I use the treble at 10 or 12 o'clock, the bass at 10 o'clock, the volume between 9 and 11 o'clock, and the tone cut at about 5 o'clock. I get the tone and sustain I'm looking for, which to my ear fits the sound you're looking for.

I think the REM 12 string sound is much less mid-range-y than the Birds or Beatles tone, as is the Smiths. More high end and likely quite compressed to get the sustain with less mid range and more top end, but I think this can also be accomplished with the same mid range settings I mentioned earlier and more top end.


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 Post subject: Re: Jingle Jangle
 Post Posted: Sat Sep 29, 2007 10:37 am 
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Check out how my 360-12 FG sounds on You Tube! I'm not well known or even that great of a guitar player...but my Rickenbacker 360-12 still sounds great in spite of my skill or lack there of!

After reading the forum this past summer, I made the decision to change the stock high gains out for the "Vintage Toasters" (7.4k) and they really have given me the sound I was looking for.

These are awesome guitars that are extremely well made and I recommend them highly to everyone that has contacted me about them. As we all know, nothing else sounds like a Rickenbacker! - Buddy Clontz

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z7NwmKC3IR8

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6GSXywtlqpk

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7ueVKqWm7FI


This is really good, man. I've read elsewhere (and frequently) that using P-e-n-t-a-h-e-d-r-o-n Golds (flat wound) also goes a long way toward enabling a person to get "the tone." Any thoughts on that?


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