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 Post subject: 620 low E buzz
 Post Posted: Wed Oct 10, 2012 11:06 am 
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ive set my RIC 620 up and no matter what i do i cant get rid of fret buzz on the low E this happens when played open and also when played all the way down to the 10th fret and seems to go away past the 10th

i measure the string height at about 1.6mm on both sides at the 17th fret and ive got relief set at about 0.02 on both sides. ive tried adding more relief but even with the truss rod nut completely backed off it still buzzes

im thinking maybe it could be a bad string but if you guys have any suggestions then please let me know


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 Post subject: Re: 620 low E buzz
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Ive still not been able to eliminate the buzzing but now its mainly on the 4th 5th frets, one thing ive noticed is that when i losen the truss rod to add more relief the truss rod is completely lose/slack and it wont allow me to add any more releif than .004

Im starting to think theres a problem with my truss rod

any feed back would be great

would it be safe to losen the truss rods off completey and let it set over night then tweek it


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 Post subject: Re: 620 low E buzz
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Thanks for your replys

Im using 10s round wound strings

ive managed to almost eliminate the buzzing. Ive noticed that when i have relief at about 004 the tone and volume of the guitar completely detearates so i tightened both rods up a little bit at a time till have barley any relief (002) and then all of a sudden the tone and volume increases dramatically with only minimal buzz.

is 002 relief ok or am i bordering of over-bow?


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 Post subject: Re: 620 low E buzz
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RIC instruments are designed for a perfectly straight neck. You're getting close.


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 Post subject: Re: 620 low E buzz
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The buzzing is on both open and all frets through the amp when picked fairly hard, the only way i can get rid of it is to raise the bass side of the bridge screws all the way but then i missing out of the low action a RIC suppose to have?

this is really frustrating because adjusting the truss rods dont make that much of a difference.

Ive notice that the metal plate that the bridge sits on has to screws on it that can be moved what does this adjustment do?

regards callum


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 Post subject: Re: 620 low E buzz
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Yes I understand this low E buzzing is persisting and frustrating, it still is only one string this has to indicate something. I'm sure you will find the problem.

OK the bridge base plate has 2 screws that if loosened allow for movement of the bridge, this is for coarse intonation of different gauge strings with different tension. You definitely don't need to touch those screw at all.

Now back to this buzzing low E! Low E stings tend to vibrate and wobble more than any other string even if tuned correctly, it is also the thickest string. It is the string most likely to make contact with the frets. When the low E string is plucked especially if you strike hard you should with very close inspection actually be able to see the string make slight contact with the frets. The sound of fret buzz is easy to detect and you can always see it if you look really close

You also mention that it is buzzing from the open string. This may indicate a low e nut slot that is a bit worn and is now too deep.

There is a simple way to check. Place you finger on the 3rd fret of the Low E, then look back towards the nut. Does the string rise up to the nut and have clearance above the first fret???

If the low E nut slot is worn there will be no or little clearance above the first fret. Another factor is a worn low e nut slot will allow the string to wobble more as it not fitted correctly in the slot. If it buzzes as you go from the 1,2 ,3 ,4 so on up the fret board it is not the nut!

Something of mention, when you check the relief of your guitar you should do it in the playing position, this allows for a more accurate reading. Try taking your relief measurements again in this manner. There are mainly two things that can can correct fret buzz that you can readily adjust that is the neck relief and bridge height

If it is fret buzz it is can be seen by putting on a pair of magnifying glasses and you should be able to see where the problem is, look carefully when you strike the string.
If the neck is almost perfectly straight say with .002 relief you should then only have to raise the bridge until no buzzing occurs. If the action is then too high for you you will need to get back. Action height at the 17Th on my guitars is 1.7 mm


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 Post subject: Re: 620 low E buzz
 Post Posted: Fri Nov 30, 2012 1:28 pm 
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Hi

I took the guitar to be setup today and the tech said the neck was too straight and needed more relief. i always thought with RICs the neck needs to be dead straight?

I also looked in the fender setup page and they recommend that for a guitar with a neck radius between 9.5" to 12" the neck relief needs to be set at .010" would that be too much relief for a RIC?


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